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RON BROWN MP for Edinburgh-Leith is no friend of the Tories. Recently he was arrested while demonstrating against Thatcher's visit to Edinburgh. He was charged with obstruction for attempting =TO give workers pay slip.
the movement after 22 September day of action. He spoke to Alex Baillie. We pr iposed actini on 22 What is your opinion September?
Obviously I welcome it but I think a lot more can be done, HELSE done, because a one-day stop page is not enough. There has to be in effect a series of stoppages building up to a General Strike. That may seem drastic but we a hard-line Tory government and clearly they are not going to listen to our statements and speeches.
Moderation, reason, call it what you will, has gone out of the window a ong time ago, so we have got to have action.
We've got to build up SUBOOTE for the workers because their fight is our fight.
I know that you feel that the lost period the trade union bureaucracy has let the labour move. ment down. ference do vou see now?
Now there has been a groundswell of support for the health workers from the rank-and-file of many other unions particularly in the private sector. The have dodged the issue all alone since this fovernment came into ofThey have back-pedalled and by doing so have only encouraged the Tories to become more and more arrogane The 'boot has zone repeatedly as far as the working class is concerned.
The Tories, because of the lack of fight from the ШI10I leadership replaced Prior with Teband have repeatedly the Tories pickoff DICTIONa of workers after another and this has been a tragedy for ON 30 OCTOBER a conThatcher a health Here he previews the tasks which now face the working class.
What we needed from the beginning ordinated strategy of rea opposition to the Tories because inar is the onis way we are going to stop them — with industrial action - using the strength of the working class.
recent Heain 1974 stopped and i do beheve we car stop Thatcher if we use our HOVENCIL.
Do you believe then that The working class wit St see the Labour Party as the main avenue in the fight or do you believe that certain sections of the working class will look outside the Labour Party in the strug gies that he anedo? It's natural that certain workers may be bit disillusioned the leadership of the Labour Party but, in the main, believe that the advanced sections of the working class will still regard the despite its lack of leader- despite ship.
The point is of course that the Labour Party SCENSE within nywa with the must develop links advanced sections of the working class in industry, in the This is essential to build up real leadership so that can etfectively challenge the government. It's a question of taking politics class to arm them for the struggles ahead.
How resistance to Tory attacks do think should be organised at this time?
We have a situation up and down ine country SWEETE Trades Councils in particular have a role to play.
CLP.
We know that they have limitations but I did suggest to my own regional nebong for M. 51 a specia the Labour Party should develop the links with the back that there has been. local developing a Council of Action: such things needed in all the localities throughout Britain This is the way to organise just as it was organised in 1926 against the government of that -LIC We must do this again, getting back to basics. will not be easy, there is no important, so that - for exmagic wand, there is no short-cut to building up against the Tories So we must learn from the past. If it was successful then the chances are that it will be successful now The point is of course that we don't have much time to do it and this must redouble our efforts within the working-class community so we can link employed and young and old - in fact all the sec. tions that are important to What do you believe that the should be doing nationally at the moment?
The Labour Party geared to the parliamentary process that understandable. We must party put up challenge in We mus clear to Thatcher and her no workini cassancepting working acceping what she is doing But saying something is enough because the Tories nave cou whatever we do or say they will get policies through. That's unfortunate banians that le Recognising that MILINE theretore take the struggle outside Parliainto the working class into our movement and develop all sorts of ac tivity against the Tories.
Now that will mean mean a rinthe press. It will TIGATE of hings will be said agains Hardie who made the if ever he was praised by the capitalist press then he couldn't have been doing his job for the working So must always remember that! will never praised by the media if we are going to fighting campaigning challenge agains the capitalist system. How do you feel the left wing of the Labour Part • should be putting forward its case at the moment? If the real left means business it must be increas ingly involved in the strugThis means being on the picket lines, being at the actor gates, - doing the the hospital gates oasic work Inat was done when this movement was Finally Ron, are views on the witch hunt in the Labour Party? The disastrous for the Party.
divisive disruptive and can only help enemies of the Party, th Tories and big business. It will not help us put up any challenge against the capitalist system. I wonder taking place because if we are saying that it Militant or whatever, an danger then misleading people. We are misleading just ourselves but many of our As I understand it Militant have 3000 supporters out of total member ship of 270,000. Now it 3,000 people can take control of a party then they must have several each and I don't think that's allowed under the Constitution.
But if, on the other hand, the right-wing fear ideas, the arguments from the left, then that becomes much more sinister and If we're going to end up with a witch-hunt and proscribed lists then in efrect we are going back the bad old days of the 50's and 60's. If we are going to go back to those days then it's not going to help us at all.
It's not going to help us to win a General Election and it's not going to win us support working class because the working class are going to become more and more confused as to what is happening in the party. The people who will lap it all up will be big business and the capitalist media.
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Socialist Challenge interviews RON BROWN, MP and BRIDGET ELTON of Hackney North